One of my self-appointed duties on WIS is correcting mistaken understandings of political theory. Having spent many years studying politics, economics, and law, I am not coming to this from one or two on-line articles under the belt.
Thus - to respond to Shaun’s political theory discussion. Shaun made that classic mistake of jumping from one source (aka, wikipedia) to a conclusion (e.g., "one piece of raw intelligence says that Osama and Saddam are bosom buddies, therefore it must be true - I saw it on the ‘net somewhere…").
Liberals - both classical and modern - do it as well, and in the end, all terms cease to mean anything other than "I like it," and "I hate it" - which is to say, objective discourse becomes impossible, and relativism governs (and those who oppose relativism the most become the most guilty of it).
Let’s consider:
modern liberalism is nothing like its classical conservative counterpart…. To me that sounds like pure conservatism. In reading further, I found that’s exactly what it is.
If "classical liberalism" - dating back to the Greeks (who held liberalism as the second highest virtue) - is just like conservatives, then there’s a lot more Ted Haggards out there in the conservative camp. The Greeks, after all, embraced homosexuality (particularly man-boy relationships). As did, in fact, quite a fair number of the more modern classical liberals in the Oxford/Cambridge schools (well, not the man-boy part of it, as I understand it).
I had no idea that conservatives had embraced abortion (in a free market, decisions as to child birth are not made by the government but by market forces).
I had no idea that conservatives had embraced pornography, gambling, prostitution, and the like (also, in a free market, these moral decisions are not manipulated by governmental actors).
Either Shaun misunderstands what he’s talking about, or he’s not a conservative, or all the conservatives have had a miraculous conversion that occurred without anyone’s noticing.
Shaun’s article refers sweepingly to
Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Jeremy Bentham, and John Stuart Mill,
I highly recommend reading all of them yourself.
Adam Smith (who coined the term, "invisible hand") was not a laissez faire proponent at all. He was an opponent of mercantilism, asserting that capitalism offered far better efficiency for a variety of reasons. (Shaun, on the contrary, is afraid of the international legal order that makes capitalism possible - and prefers mercantilism, as he would prefer to maintain American control over American trade - rather than trust the markets which depend on mutually shared rules, e.g., the WTO.)
J.S. Mill in particular forms the link between "classical" and "modern" liberalism. Mill, developing Benthamite theories of utilitarianism, posited a mechanism for judging performance based on the maximum amount of happiness produced, while avoiding as much pain as possible.
Mill’s theories form the fundamental basis of modern liberalism. What Shaun sees as liberal theories to "shrink the pie to more evenly distribute it" - Mill saw as "maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain."
Then again - the classical liberals (the real ones, not the ones cited in some inept article) - had very distinctive notions of what it meant for the government not to interfere with the markets than what most laissez-faire theorists postulate.
Next - Shaun refers to Alexis de Tocqueville -
In a country where the majority is ill-clothed, ill-housed, ill-fed, who thinks of giving clean clothes, healthy food, comfortable quarters to the poor?
Two responses. First: I’m glad Shaun is willing to refer to a French political theorist to understand America.
Second - de Tocqueville, it turns out, was totally wrong on this point - a matter demonstrated by social science that wasn’t available in his time. Never having spent much time in poor countries (indeed, America in that time was the first poor country he observed) - de Tocqueville’s proposition is empirically incorrect.
In most of the poorest countries, the "less poor" people give a larger portion of their income to the the "poorest" poor people than the rich (in general) do in the rich countries. This isn’t entirely out of benevolence: it helps prevent a revolution, and other nastiness.
Modern liberalism is willing to decrease the total pie in an attempt to give everyone an equal slice. Classical liberalism had the idea that even though the pie may not be evenly sliced, everyone would have a bigger piece in the end.
Utterly, incontrovertibly wrong (and also an illustration of the convenient conservative evasion of reality: although the stock market tends to rise during conservative governments, the total pie in America tends to shrink AND the poorest get poorer).
Classical liberals thought that government might be an appropriate mechanism for constraining a problem known as "the tragedy of the commons" (or, a useful tool for building "public goods" and constraining "public bads"). Particularly as industrialization took off - they realized that completely unconstrained markets would pose massive problems - the biggest of which involved pollution (e.g., Victorian England coal-blacked smog).
More modern liberals thought that government might be an appropriate mechanism for preventing disequilibrium. See, the periods of "laissez faire" economics produced a cycle of massive booms and massive busts. One of those busts, known as "the Great Depression," suggested to many observers that government ought to get involved in fixing some of the worst problems - because if it didn’t, those problems could get even worse than just a bunch of unemployed, starving people (e.g., they might overthrow the government and create a Soviet regime).
I believe it is not government’s job to slice the pie.
Fortunately - so do the liberals (both classical and modern). Communists thought otherwise. Liberals thought that the best way to ensure the pie keeps growing is to spread the benefits of it as broadly as possible (without unfairly taking from any one group).
Now, that particular theory formed the basis for the American settlement of the West (note: Native Americans were conspicuously left out of the "spread the benefits" equation back then). The idea was, if you let a few rich families take over all the land, it won’t get used. If you let the poorer people benefit by owning the land, they’ll use it better - more stuff gets grown - more investment - more prosperity for the country as a whole.
It sort of worked. ("Sort of" because farming, the best example of a ‘perfect market’ - is also the most unpredictable, unstable profession.)
Because of the relationship between socialism and communism, many liberals shy away from this description. Unfortunately, it is all too accurate.
Shaun is talking out of his butt here. Consider:
if "the qualified acceptance of government intervention in the economy = socialism"…
…then the internet is a socialist ploy. (I hadn’t realized that the Pentagon was controlled by socialists.) It’s a perfect example of "qualified government intervention" - the government invested, the government created, the government regulated, the government subsidized the placement of the backbones - all government.
By the way - all the freeways (whether digital or physical) would also be "socialist" (even state turnpikes, which typically involve state/municipal bonds).
So would space flight. Hadn’t thought NASA was a commie agency. (And all those mobile companies that later benefited from technology derived from space? Bunch a Commies!)
Now here’s an interesting observation:
So, according to this [highly distorted representation of classical liberal] philosophy, healthcare, social security, education, property, etc. should be managed by a free-market system, not by the federal government. None of these things is a right.
Indeed. Why not privatize crime control as well? And the military - we could eradicate the Pentagon and have an all mercenary force. Why not?
My comment actually invokes a dispute as to what ought to qualify as a "public good" - most people think "national security" is a public good that is better served by having a military that can build tanks, jets, and aircraft carriers than by having a host of private security guards roaming around.
The politics of "health care" involve how to increase the total size of the pie - it’s not that people have a "right" to health care, it’s that if we treat health the same way we treat military security (and freeway building, and space flight, and certain technological developmetns) - then we might achieve more than if we each acted independently.
Note the bolded word "might." We can’t know for sure if this will happen, and if we do attain benefits, some groups will also pay something to acquire them. Will those costs outweigh the benefits? Hard to say. That’s why there’s a debate underway.
What Shaun is doing, though, in misrepresenting the opposed position, is erecting straw men ("You’re all a bunch of communists!") so that he never has to read any of those philosophers he cites - and can lazily denounce the other for taking a position they never adopted, which he never understood (but knows is "bad").
The link between "classical liberalism and libertarianism"
Shaun concludes that "classical liberals" are "very similar" to modern libertarians.
Well - most libertarians would say that it’s not a matter of "similarity" - so much as identity. Modern libertarians are much more like classical liberals than conservatives (unless conservatives have embraced homosexuality, abortion, removing the effects of religion on society, the exclusive use of prisons to "reform" rather than to punish and the elimination of most other criminal laws, the legalization of marijuana and other drugs, and a host of other policies).
Now, as indicated, there are some distinctive points of departure between modern and classical liberals.
Classical liberals, for the most part, opposed the landed aristocracy, and were most concerned about how to enhance the general welfare of the community by weakening this landed, government-linked nobility.
As the landed nobles became increasingly irrelevant to economic affairs - the problem of "how best to increase efficiency" became the principle consideration of economics. They realized a fairly obvious thing:
If the laissez-faire of the Roaring 20s led to the Great Depression - who could call this an efficient system? Yeah, efficient for a few years, but come on! (Maybe Shaun likes depressions?)
To conclude with Shaun’s conclusion
What does this tell me about liberals? It’s not just their philosophies that are deceptive, it’s their name, too.
Well, as I say, if you’re prepared to embrace abortion, homosexuality, legalizing drugs, prostitution, and porn - well, then you are prepared to be a "classical liberal."
I suspect though that either Shaun has a problem with those items - and with classical liberalism itself - or he’s performed the most tragic sort of deception of all - self-delusion.
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